Professors Stephen Macedo and Frances Lee were interviewed on the Collateral Global Podcast about their book In Covid's Wake: How Our Politics Failed Us.

"The mantra during Covid was ‘follow the science’, ‘trust the science’ which meant trust …the leading scientists in public health and the scientific establishment…I think people…especially at elite institutions… are still strongly invested in the hope that we did the right thing by trusting the science and the scientists…There is a reluctance to shift the narrative that shaped our lives for many years, that we sacrificed so much for." -Stephen Macedo